This tran­script has been edit­ed for clar­i­ty. There may be dif­fer­ences between the audio and this tran­script.

John Moir: 0:00

So I’m look­ing at ear­ly grief. I want to know what your grief sto­ry is.Elisha Gabriell: 0:03

I was 19 years old. I was liv­ing on the land in San­ta Fe with a group of oth­er peo­ple. We were all liv­ing in tents in San­ta Fe. My sis­ter had been fight­ing can­cer and going to doc­tor’s appoint­ments for two years. They were try­ing dif­fer­ent things that did­n’t work. Occa­sion­al­ly I would go home and be with my fam­i­ly for a while and then I’d go back to San­ta Fe again and my mom called and said the doc­tors say the time is com­ing very soon. She is ask­ing for you if you could come home and be with her. So I flew home and she was in our house, not the hos­pi­tal. Her bed­room was upstairs next to mine and she was now bedbound.Elisha Gabriell: 0:53

We had talked a lot about death and spir­i­tu­al­i­ty. She was not a spir­i­tu­al per­son but because I’m who I am, that’s where our con­ver­sa­tions went over the years and I would talk to her about spir­i­tu­al life and death and what she might expect, and she was fine with that. On Christ­mas morn­ing she passed. My mom was sit­ting next to her. We knew that the end was com­ing very soon. We were down­stairs hav­ing break­fast and my mom came down and said she just passed. And my mom said she just opened her eyes. She had­n’t opened her eyes for at least a day and a half. She opened her eyes, looked at the foot of her bed and smiled, with her eyes sparkling at some­one we could­n’t see, and I could feel the ener­gy in the room. It was an intense­ly sacred moment. I could feel the angels around. It was a very sacred moment. I thought she’s just passed by the way my par­ents had pro­grammed me and the cul­ture had pro­grammed me my entire life that death was the worst thing that could hap­pen to you. You might get injured, but at least you did­n’t die, at least you did­n’t leave your body and pass in the spir­it. And so I had that belief. So I went. You know what? I’m going to go into med­i­ta­tion and pull my the spir­it. And so I had that belief. So I went. You know what I’m going to go into med­i­ta­tion and pull my sis­ter back. I’m going to save my sister.Elisha Gabriell: 2:32

I went down into my par­ents’ bed­room and sat in easy pose, legs crossed. I went into med­i­ta­tion and I saw her leav­ing in a flow­ing upward motion with a being of light that seemed to be fem­i­nine. It could have been an angel. There were no wings and many times angels don’t show up with wings but it was a being of light that was fem­i­nine and hold­ing her in a light embrace as they went up the light. And I reached up men­tal­ly and grabbed the hold of her ankles to pull her back, because I was going to save my sis­ter, I was­n’t going to let death take my sis­ter. And she looked down at me with her eyes sparkling with love and said no, I want to go, and I went. And she said, no, I want to go and I went. What? My whole world was rocked here. I am try­ing to save you and you want to go. And she said, yes, I want to go. So I said okay, I accept that. I put my hands togeth­er at my heart. I’m going to like­ly tear up, but gosh darn it.Elisha Gabriell: 3:49

I sang a song to her and if I sing it I’m going to break down crying.Elisha Gabriell: 3:56

But I’ll tell you the words and you may have heard it. It was from the yoga orga­ni­za­tion that I was a part of and it was May the long time sun shine upon you all love sur­round you and the pure light with­in you guide your way on, guide your way on, guide your way on. And I let go of her because I knew that it was what her soul was call­ing her to. I knew her soul was call­ing her home and I let go of her. I went back to San­ta Fe and there is when I broke down and cried in my bed and just cried lit­er­al­ly on and off for hours because I knew it was­n’t con­struc­tive to repress feel­ings and so I just let it out and cried for hours, actu­al­ly even man­i­fest­ed a sick­ness it was like hav­ing the flu where I just felt sick and I know that was my spir­it, the human part of me griev­ing. The high­er part of me com­plete­ly accept­ed that she had moved into high­er realms of beau­ty that we can’t even imag­ine, of love that is so pal­pa­ble and is 24–7.Elisha Gabriell: 5:14

I know they don’t have hours there, but it is eter­nal. The love that you feel in those realms is intense and it is pal­pa­ble. That you feel in those realms is intense and it is pal­pa­ble and I was hap­py that she was hav­ing that expe­ri­ence. But the human part of me still had to grieve, so I think I only cried that one time and I prob­a­bly cried for two or three hours straight. My mom believed she had gone some­where filled with love and she was done with her suf­fer­ing. She was done with being in a bed, done with hos­pi­tals and doc­tors, and she was free.John Moir: 5:50

I don’t know about my dad.Elisha Gabriell: 5:52

He nev­er talked about it Short­ly after that my mom and dad part­ed ways. My dad moved to Mex­i­co and lived the rest of his life there, had a very love­ly pass­ing in the spir­it. My mom passed when she was 85 or 86. I can’t quite remem­ber, but that was prob­a­bly about five or six years ago. I was hap­py for my mom that she could be with my sis­ter, if that’s what she chose.John Moir: 6:21

But there’s still a griev­ing when we lose our par­ents or we’re close to, isn’t there?Elisha Gabriell: 6:28

My father was a vio­lent alco­holic. He was in very intense Scor­pio. He’d go into rage with his anger and he would beat us for things that he did. I had two sis­ters and he would knock things over in the night when he drank. He would spill things on the car­pets and then blame us because he did­n’t remem­ber doing it. He tru­ly did not remem­ber doing it, and because we would­n’t admit to it he would beat us.Elisha Gabriell: 6:58

He would beat us, he would beat my sis­ters until they start­ed cry­ing and that to him showed sub­mis­sion. So once they start­ed cry­ing and that to him showed sub­mis­sion. So once they start­ed cry­ing, he would stop beat­ing him. But being the rebel in the fam­i­ly, I tuned into that and I went aha, he wants us to show sub­mis­sion, so I would nev­er cry. I learned not to cry, to hold my tears in, and I kept that for the rest of my life. When my baby died, it took me like a year and a half to cry because I had trained myself to hold the tears back. It was a sign of sub­mit­ting to some­one that want­ed to hurt.John Moir: 7:41

Was it your first child?Elisha Gabriell: 7:42

want­ed to hurt. Was it your first child? No, she was my third. My first child was my son. Then I had my daugh­ter. She died of crib death at three and a half months. Then I had my next two sons. After that, when she passed, I was what’s the word? I had become so much of my high­er self that I did­n’t cry when she passed, but I under­stood that her soul was imme­di­ate­ly she’s left. I found her lit­tle clay body.Elisha Gabriell: 8:18

We had gone down­stairs to med­i­tate and I had just nursed her and laid her down on the sheep­skin in the bed­room and wrapped her with light blan­kets, as we always did back then I wrapped her and laid her down on the sheep­skin and we went down for morn­ing med­i­ta­tion and came back two hours lat­er and I went to pick her up and I knew just from look­ing at her that she had passed.Elisha Gabriell: 8:43

I was like look­ing at a doll lay­ing there, a liv­ing baby. Her col­or was gone and she had gone quick because her col­or was gray. She lit­er­al­ly was like a clay doll and I knew she had passed. And there was a lit­tle bit of liq­uid com­ing out of her mouth and stuck to the sheep­skin, which I think was the milk that I had just nursed her. So we picked her up and went to the emer­gency room just in case and they said no, she is gone. They want­ed to do an autop­sy because I was not cry­ing and hysterical.Elisha Gabriell: 9:22

I’m a yogi, I can con­trol my emo­tions most of the time and I know when it’s appro­pri­ate to let them out and not let them out. And I was­n’t going to cry in the med­ical office. I would wait till I got home. And then I got home and again, for me, death is such a beau­ti­ful pass­ing into a sacred realm and that feel­ing of the sacred was so intense around me and I knew that her soul had cho­sen to go home and to only let me have her for three and a half months. I was very angry at her soul that she did that. I felt like she tricked me. I had beau­ti­ful lit­tle baby clothes for a lit­tle baby girl. My breasts were full.Elisha Gabriell: 10:14

Bill felt mad at her soul that she had made that deci­sion to go back into spir­it. Three and a half months. I car­ried that anger for a very long time. I car­ried that anger for years because I did­n’t under­stand why she would do that. Final­ly, after about four or five years, I came to the con­clu­sion. I don’t know why she did that. I prob­a­bly won’t in this life­time, but I’m not going to car­ry this anger because it just hurts me and it low­ers my fre­quen­cy. So I said to her in spir­it I don’t know what your rea­sons for doing that were, but what­ev­er they were, I knew they were good rea­sons. Rea­sons they were cho­sen through spir­it, through high­er con­scious­ness. They were cho­sen for me to grow in my own way and to learn to accept that death is a nat­ur­al part of life.Elisha Gabriell: 11:15

And yet our cul­ture views it as being the worst thing that could ever hap­pen to you. And yet it’s going to hap­pen to every sin­gle one of us. So maybe we need to change our cul­tur­al expec­ta­tions and I see it hap­pen­ing already. That was years ago, 30 years ago, when there was a dif­fer­ent. That thing that death is the worst thing that could ever hap­pen to you was very prevalent.Elisha Gabriell: 11:44

Grad­u­al­ly, human­i­ty has opened up and awak­ened. The cul­ture has changed some­what it cer­tain­ly isn’t accept­ing it 100% and there is still that old par­a­digm that we are mov­ing away from and awak­en­ing to the deep­er mean­ings of the things that hap­pen in our lives. At that time, there was still the par­a­digm that death is the worst thing that could hap­pen to you. I see soci­ety chang­ing and I see peo­ple hav­ing life cel­e­bra­tions instead of the word funer­al it’s not even being used as much as it was. Word funer­al it’s not even being used as much as it was. My hus­band died and you’re invit­ed to the life cel­e­bra­tion on August and then they have mov­ing pic­tures of him that they had stored and it’s a hap­pi­er time, while every­body is still hug­ging each oth­er. They’re tears of both joy and they’re tears of griev­ing. At the same time, life cel­e­bra­tions are becom­ing much more nor­mal than they were when I lost my sis­ter and when I lost my baby.John Moir: 12:54

In Weller’s book the Wild Edge of Sor­row. He talks about every­thing that we love we’re going to lose, where­as the gen­er­al trend is that every­thing I love, I’m going to keep and, as you said, no, we’re going to lose it. And the soon­er that we real­ize that every­thing we love the job, the car, the house is all going to go, and then our dear loved ones, and even­tu­al­ly we’ll be los­ing our own life here on this plan­et the idea is that know­ing you’re going to lose some­thing allows you to love it more deeply and have greater com­pas­sion and deep­er capac­i­ty to love deeply. You had a near-death expe­ri­ence in 2018 that shaped your under­stand­ing of grief in this rit­u­al jour­ney that fol­lows a pro­found loss. Can you want to unpack that a lit­tle bit for us? That?Elisha Gabriell: 13:45

fol­lows a pro­found loss, and you want to unpack that a lit­tle bit for us. I was hav­ing so much pain in my pelvic area. I found out that I had a pro­lapsed uterus and the pain got worse. And it got worse and peo­ple were com­ment­ing on it. You don’t look too good at work. I went okay, I have to sched­ule surgery. I was hop­ing I could heal it nat­u­ral­ly, but that’s not hap­pen­ing. Okay, I have to sched­ule surgery. I was hop­ing I could heal it nat­u­ral­ly, but that’s not hap­pen­ing, so I have to sched­ule surgery.Elisha Gabriell: 14:10

They put it off and put it off and put it off for so long I was just absolute­ly mis­er­able in phys­i­cal pain. Final­ly, the day came when I could have the surgery and I was so hap­py that I was final­ly going to be out of pain and every­body in the hos­pi­tal was real­ly nice, and so I was in recov­ery, hooked up to tubes com­ing out of the back of my hands and every­where they could think was a tube com­ing out of it, and I had gone through recov­ery and now I was in my hos­pi­tal room where I would do most of the recov­ery real­ly, and still hooked up to tubes, and I was lying there on the hos­pi­tal bed. It was in a pri­vate room I don’t know why, prob­a­bly they did­n’t have any­body else to put in there but I was lying there feel­ing very peace­ful, on my back, arms down by my sides. I was lying there on my back just feel­ing deeply peace­ful, and more and more deeply peace­ful by the sec­ond, and then I noticed that my breath­ing was becom­ing longer, a longer peri­od between the breaths, and again a lit­tle bit longer between the breaths, again a lit­tle bit longer between the breaths, and I said to myself this breath­ing is becom­ing some­thing I don’t want to have to focus on doing. I’m hap­py, I’m good, I’m deeply peace­ful, I don’t need to breathe and I don’t want to breathe.Elisha Gabriell: 15:53

And in that very sec­ond I was stand­ing in front of a gold­en por­tal, and a gold­en por­tal of gold­en light that was just pour­ing for­ward to me, and I could see beings in there. There were prob­a­bly four, maybe five, anoth­er per­son in the way back, but they were beings that were made out of the gold­en light and every one of them was a shape that had a human shape, but not that I could see clothes or faces or any­thing like that, and they were wait­ing for me and I knew they were wait­ing for me, and one of them from the group came for­ward on the left side to meet me and to wel­come me, and at that moment I knew that it was my choice to go, or it was my choice to come back and to be able to give my mes­sages to the world through my busi­ness. And at that time I said to myself I don’t think I want to go in. And imme­di­ate­ly, in that split sec­ond, I was back in my hos­pi­tal bed with a nurse bend­ing over my bel­ly and my chest, yelling breathe, because I think she saw my eyes flick­er when I came back into my body. And so I did. I took a breath and then I resumed nor­mal recov­ery in that hos­pi­tal bed. And lat­er they brought in a machine that was about three foot tall and looked like R2-D2. It was just shaped like a dome, put it next to my bed, hooked me up to my brain, hooked my fin­ger­tips up to it, and a tech­ni­cian sat next to it for about 40 min­utes read­ing the dif­fer­ent things, and I knew that my heart had stopped when I said I don’t want to breathe. I don’t need to breathe. In that time my heart stopped and then I was instant­ly in front of the gold­en por­tal of light, and so they kept me an extra two days in the hos­pi­tal to make sure my heart was oper­at­ing okay and it was back to com­plete­ly ful­ly func­tion­ing with­in hours. He could­n’t find a thing wrong with my heart and I knew that I had cho­sen to have that expe­ri­ence and I knew that I lit­er­al­ly could have gone if I want­ed to, but I chose not to and I did­n’t think about it again. All I want­ed to do is go home. I want to get out of here, I want to go home. And so the next day they said okay, we’re going to release you.Elisha Gabriell: 18:46

So I was walk­ing in the halls to get my bal­ance back and to feel like I could walk, and because I still had the hys­terec­to­my and was in a lot of pain from surgery, and I walked up to the nurse’s sta­tion with my purse and I said my son’s com­ing to get me. Can I go down to the front entrance and wait for him so he does­n’t have to come up here? And there were three nurs­es in there and the one nurse said that’s the mir­a­cle woman. And the oth­er nurse said oh, is it? And they both looked at me and the oth­er nurse replied she’s not a mir­a­cle woman, she’s a mir­a­cle being. And I thought what are they talk­ing about? They must be talk­ing about when my heart stopped, but it did­n’t occur to me to ask them what are they talk­ing about? They must be talk­ing about when my heart stopped, but it did­n’t occur to me to ask them what are you talk­ing about? I just want­ed to hear can I go, can I get out of here? And she said no, we’ll get a wheel­chair for you and we’ll take you down to the front. And so they did.Elisha Gabriell: 19:52

And the next day is when I remem­bered it and the mem­o­ry came all flood­ing back and I went oh my gosh, I had a near-death expe­ri­ence. I called my son and over the phone I was dri­ving and I said do you want to hear my near-death expe­ri­ence I had? He said oh, mom, what? What do you mean? What do you mean? You had a near-death expe­ri­ence. So I told him and he just went whoa, you could have died. I went yeah, I could have, and it would have been a joy­ful expe­ri­ence. I would have been home in the realms of light, in the realms of gold­en light. That’s my soul, fam­i­ly that I said no to. And then lat­er, as time unfold­ed, I knew that they already knew I was going to say no, and that’s why I did­n’t see them with any kind of clothes, or I did­n’t see their bod­ies in detail. All I saw was a human shape, just radiating.John Moir: 20:53

With regards to grief, how did that affect your under­stand­ing of grief? I get just to lis­ten to your sto­ry and I can imag­ine how it affects your spir­i­tu­al jour­ney that fol­lows such a pro­found loss, because you’ve been there and seen that. You know it was­n’t made up. There’s a dif­fer­ence between mak­ing a sto­ry and hav­ing an experience.Elisha Gabriell: 21:13

Yep, good expe­ri­ence and I had so many peo­ple tell me about their near-death expe­ri­ences, which is why I decid­ed to put this pre­sen­ta­tion togeth­er Jour­ney of Life, because and then I was able to share the basic of that with my hos­pice clients, because the 30 years I’ve been doing Alzheimer’s care, a lot of that was hos­pice, a lot of it was­n’t Maybe 30% hos­pice out of 70% of peo­ple and I could help them from a place of know­ing that this isn’t a jour­ney of light. You have a dense fre­quen­cy here and as you pass into light, that light grows stronger and stronger and the feel­ing of love grows stronger and stronger and takes over your entire con­scious­ness. So death is a tran­si­tion from dense fre­quen­cy and doing your best in every moment and being to be the best per­son you can in every moment to becom­ing a light being that has known love that you can nev­er imag­ine the amount of love that is there when you’re here in 3D real­i­ty. So that took my fear of death com­plete­ly away. I did­n’t real­ly have much to begin with, but no grief with­in that con­text at all.Elisha Gabriell: 22:49

I had a small expe­ri­ence when I was here. When I was here, maybe 10 months ago, I was so filled with love and walked into my kitchen and just every sin­gle thing I looked at, love poured out from my heart. For what I was look­ing at, I imme­di­ate­ly came the response every­thing that you have love will greet you when you pass. Every­thing that you have loved will greet you when you pass. And that they meant every­thing. They meant the trees in your back­yard that you have real­ly sin­cere­ly loved will. A sense of that love will be there when you pass. And because I was pic­tur­ing me pass­ing into spir­it and my lit­tle toast­er sit­ting there jump­ing up and down with joy, that I had asked and could be with some and I went no, it’s not that, it’s your toast­er that’s going to be sit­ting there, but the love that you had for that toast­er will come back to you, exact­ly as you loved every­thing. It will come back to you and it will be there wait­ing for you when you pass.John Moir: 23:56

I just want to talk a lit­tle bit now about your shaman­ic heal­ing prac­tices. I’m won­der­ing what drew you to shaman­ism to begin with?Elisha Gabriell: 24:06

I remem­ber three where I was a Native Amer­i­can, one, where I was a Mex­i­can heal­er, one where I was a man in Mex­i­co and the earth was very red wher­ev­er that was. I don’t know the geog­ra­phy of Mex­i­co real well, but some­body told me oh, that’s the so-and-so region and that’s what I believe. I car­ried it into this. I knew I was a heal­er from the time I was 19 and my sis­ter was dying from can­cer and I would. When she was in the hos­pi­tal, I would put my hands over where it hurt and the pain would go away.Elisha Gabriell: 24:43

And the only prob­lem I found with that is I could­n’t stand there with my hands over her for­ev­er and my arms would get tired after 10 min­utes and I did­n’t know what to do about that. But it was because I did­n’t know what to do that. But it was because I did­n’t know what to do. I had to accept it and I had to accept that. I took her phys­i­cal. I helped her pass with much, much less phys­i­cal pain than she would have if I had­n’t done that, Because I was in a yoga orga­ni­za­tion that taught every­body is a healer.Elisha Gabriell: 25:15

Just have to believe it and 17 years old, I was doing heal­ings on peo­ple and con­tin­ued doing that and shift­ed that hands-on thing to help peo­ple to heal them­selves by releas­ing the lim­it­ing beliefs and by mov­ing into that place of the divine I am. I am per­fect, I am whole, I am mag­nif­i­cent, and that’s what I do now is help peo­ple to accept that and teach them how to heal them­selves. And I lead them through a sim­ple process.John Moir: 25:55

Yeah.Elisha Gabriell: 25:55

I had spir­it teach­ers appear to me teach me the heal­ing because they already knew that I knew I was a heal­er. But my first book, white Buf­fa­lo and the Rain­bow War­rior, details all the spir­it beings that came to me in med­i­ta­tion and took me places and taught me things about life and sacred earth aware­ness and um had a. Well, that was my first teacher was white buf­fa­lo and um brought oth­er teach­ers in spir­it of the hawk and old coy­ote woman and um rain­bow woman came to me and talked to me about the col­or fre­quen­cies and the fre­quen­cies of the rain­bow that get faster and faster as they start out slow with the red and move up through the rain­bow and by the time you get up to pur­ple it’s a very fast and high frequency.John Moir: 26:48

All right. So the non-tra­di­tion­al teach­ers, while receiv­ing man­ic patients, were through it teach­ers while receiv­ing man­ic patients were, through it, the um role of a grief and spir­i­tu­al trans­for­ma­tions. Uh, how do you guide oth­ers who are griev­ing to find meaning?Elisha Gabriell: 27:05

I teach them trans­for­ma­tion through and I just speak as a friend like a prac­tice play. Your has now entered a beau­ty that we can bare­ly wrap our minds around it, and it is also human to grieve. So let your­self allow your­self to cry, allow your­self to grieve the loss that has a phys­i­cal being and pres­ence in your life. You have lost the phys­i­cal pres­ence of that per­son and it’s nat­ur­al and nor­mal to notice that loss and to feel sad about it. So let your­self grieve that. One of the ways that they’re show­ing me right now is allow­ing the griev­ing through the gift of water.Elisha Gabriell: 27:55

You can imag­ine and this is what I do at the day when I’m with a client I’ll stand under a water­fall of gold­en light and I’ll just lead you through it real­ly, real­ly quick­ly. I have a cer­tain place in my house that I stand and I go. Stand under that and I intend to have a beau­ti­ful gold­en show­er of light that cleans­es every cell of my body and takes away the dense ener­gy, because griev­ing and sor­row are a low­er fre­quen­cy ener­gy. There is some­thing that we want to trans­form not trans­form but to release and so imag­ine being under a gold­en show­er of rain, a rain of beau­ti­ful gold­en light, and then let vio­let light into that slow­ly until it just becomes pure, radi­ant, pow­er­ful vio­let light that com­plete­ly engulfs you and comes down from the heav­ens and runs down through your legs and your feet into the heart of the earth moth­er and is then trans­formed back into gold­en light that can both heal the earth moth­er and that she can use for what­ev­er pur­pos­es she has that can be to enlighten.John Moir: 29:18

How do you help peo­ple who can­not visu­al­ize to cre­ate this in their mind side?Elisha Gabriell: 29:24

Well, I just talk to them because they think some­thing hor­ri­ble has hap­pened to their loved ones. So my job is to show them that there is more beau­ty in the spir­it realms than we can ever imag­ine here. And I do that by telling oth­er sto­ries of oth­er peo­ple. I tell them my sto­ries of my expe­ri­ences. And that way, like you say, peo­ple learn dif­fer­ent­ly, but every­body learns through sto­ries. That’s why we watch some­thing on YouTube and we’re trans­fixed by it and we think we can do it too, because we’re hear­ing of some­one else’s expe­ri­ence, some­one else’s sto­ry. So that’s my main. Sto­ry­telling is my main way of lift­ing them, tak­ing them out of the dense dark­ness and lift­ing them up to their own heart cen­ter and help­ing them to awak­en their heart cen­ter again. And with­in the heart you can find joy.Elisha Gabriell: 30:27

So, joy is the fre­quen­cy that you want to get into when you can. And if that’s impos­si­ble for you right away, then you find the next upgrad­ed thought and you focus on that and you let your­self become that. You let that ener­gy fre­quen­cy fill you.Elisha Gabriell: 30:51

When you’re in anoth­er place, you raise it up. Anoth­er fre­quen­cy. You don’t have to go from here to here, you just take it one I like the words baby steps and you heal in baby steps. You’re back on track with your life and then some lit­tle thing trig­gers you and that wave from the ocean comes pour­ing in over you again and you feel that grief anew. But usu­al­ly it’s a less fre­quen­cy if you’ve done the work on your­self and if you real­ize that, yes, it’s very nor­mal and nat­ur­al to grieve the phys­i­cal pres­ence of some­one, of being close to the heart of someone.Elisha Gabriell: 31:33

But you can also talk to a per­son after they’ve left their body. If there’s grief that you have because you nev­er got to say good­bye, you nev­er made it to the hos­pi­tal in time. They know that in the high­er, they already know that. But it can help you to express that to them. You can imag­ine them sit­ting in a chair in your kitchen and you’re talk­ing to them. You can imag­ine them just in a lit­tle bit high­er fre­quen­cy than you are right now and they’re lis­ten­ing to you. They are there and express your sad­ness, express that you for­give them for what they did and that you for­give your part in it as well, because every dance takes a back and forth between two people.John Moir: 32:20

So, Ali­cia, what about peo­ple who express their grief in a more tra­di­tion­al way, in a sense of how they express their grief? I’m think­ing of those ones that are deep griev­ers, whose pain is tremen­dous? I would always say stay with you, because there’s still part of the jour­ney that one needs to com­plete which is going even deep­er into that dark place. That is where our trans­for­ma­tions begin. So every­body’s going to ask how do I get out of that place? I don’t under­stand light and fre­quen­cies and so on. What’s your response?Elisha Gabriell: 32:52

Yeah, with­in the dark­est, dark is a spark of light. Quan­tum physi­cists right now are just start­ing to work with a con­cept that they call dark light in it, and some­times you have to go down into that depth of dark­ness to find that spark of light. And if you go down deep into that with the inten­tion, you have to set your inten­tion. Inten­tion, when­ev­er you’re doing any kind of work with your­self, is very impor­tant. So to set the inten­tion, you will go into the deep­est grief that you ever felt before and when you find that spark of light, just sim­ply acknowl­edge it. Go on with your griev­ing process and do that when­ev­er you have the oppor­tu­ni­ty, when you are by your­self, when you have a pri­vate moment and you can go deep with­in your­self because you need pri­va­cy, usu­al­ly to go into that lev­el of dark­ness. But always know that the dark con­tains a spark of light and you can use that to bring the heal­ing to yourself.Elisha Gabriell: 34:15

The next time you go down into that deep well of dark­ness, remem­ber that lit­tle spark was there wait­ing for you and you can see that spark has grown just a lit­tle bit because you’ve healed your­self sim­ply by going into the dark. You are now find­ing the light with­in your own being, with­in your own heart and that light will always sym­bol­ize love For some­one that is griev­ing that deeply they loved very deeply. And so when you find that spark of light with­in the griev­ing, you are hon­or­ing your loved one, you are hon­or­ing the love that you had between you. You don’t have to stay in a deep well of grief. You can come out lit­tle bit by lit­tle bit in that spark of love that you remem­ber and that you expe­ri­ence with your loved one, whether it was a baby, whether it was your sis­ter, whether it was your life part­ner of 50 years.Elisha Gabriell: 35:19

You can heal your­self through love, and love is real­ly the only way of heal­ing your­self, by allow­ing the light of love back into your life and hon­or­ing that with­in you, and that will slow­ly raise your fre­quen­cy, bit by bit, and you’ll acknowl­edge that, oh, I don’t feel as bad as I did a month ago, but you will always car­ry that spark of love with you. You will always hon­or that with­in your heart.John Moir: 35:53

We’re just about out of time. I’m real­ly curi­ous about your work as a heart alchemist and joy facil­i­ta­tor. I’m curi­ous what do you mean by that?Elisha Gabriell: 36:05

Well, joy is one of the high­est fre­quen­cies of source that exists and because we have finite minds, we try to like to under­stand the vast unlim­it­ed­ness of source, and I like to com­pare it to a rain­bow of the low­er fre­quen­cies at the bot­tom expand­ing into the high­er fre­quen­cies, of a faster mov­ing fre­quen­cy, a high­er and faster and fin­er fre­quen­cy of life, faster and fin­er fre­quen­cy of life, and those same fre­quen­cies are con­tained with­in the total­i­ty of source. There are low­er fre­quen­cies because source express­es every­thing, god express­es every­thing and God with­in every­thing. Every­thing that exists is God express­ing in form. Every­thing that exists is God express­ing in form. And so again, I like to com­pare it to a divine white light fre­quen­cy. We can’t see with our human eyes, but it still has those same fre­quen­cies. The low­er fre­quen­cies express, the medi­um fre­quen­cies express and the high­er fre­quen­cies express. Joy is like a band of light with­in the high­er fre­quen­cies of God, with­in the high­er fre­quen­cies of the divine cre­ator, and joy is a very fast mov­ing fre­quen­cy. So we can use joy to speed up our own beings. The cells in our own body respond and trans­form with the fre­quen­cy of joy, and that means joy is the fast track through ascension.Elisha Gabriell: 37:43

Joy is the train you want to get on. Ani­mals express joy. Cats lay in the sun. We feel that pres­ence of joy. A horse enjoys the feel­ing of being phys­i­cal. The horse has that vibrant, strong, just that. They run just to feel that joy of their phys­i­cal pres­ence and what they are capa­ble of doing.Elisha Gabriell: 38:10

Joy is the train you want to get on. How do you do that? Well, you focus on beau­ty all around you. You focus, you stop and you look at one flower out­side of a shop. You look at the beau­ty of that one broom and flow­ers express joy and you can take that in. I will stop so often, and espe­cial­ly on my morn­ing, so I’ll just end with remem­ber life is meant to be lived with joy because we’re human beings. We also have fre­quen­cies and we can go into those low­er fre­quen­cies and through those we can, with our inten­tion, we can raise that fre­quen­cy up and that’s how we grow. We grow through going into the dark­ness and com­ing back into light with new solu­tions, new under­stand­ings of who we are and of the pow­er we have to become whole and full.