Transcript: Episode 3

This tran­script has been edit­ed for clar­i­ty. There may be dif­fer­ences between the audio and this tran­script.

John Moir: 0:01
Wel­come to the Urban Grief Shamans. I’m your host, John Moir. In this episode, we’re joined by Elaine Indi­gio, who brings a wealth of knowl­edge and expe­ri­ence in soul recov­ery and its trans­for­ma­tive pow­er. Our dis­cus­sion explores the del­i­cate process of soul retrieval, a cor­ner­stone of shaman­ic prac­tice. Elaine beau­ti­ful­ly explains how trau­ma in its many forms can cause frag­ments of our essence to become dis­lodged, seek­ing refuge in safer places. This frag­men­ta­tion, she sug­gests, leaves us feel­ing incom­plete, vul­ner­a­ble to exter­nal influ­ences and some­times trapped and unhealthy pat­terns. Through shaman­ic heal­ing, we embark on a jour­ney to reunite with these lost pieces of our­selves, restor­ing whole­ness and vital­i­ty. Thanks for join­ing us as we enter into our con­ver­sa­tion. I was hop­ing that we could take a look at soul loss and soul recov­ery.

Elaine Egidio: 2:32
Absolute­ly so. My under­stand­ing of what I’ve been taught and what I’ve learned through my shaman­ic prac­tice is that when we expe­ri­ence things that are trau­mat­ic, with grace and under­stand­ing, trau­ma is trau­ma. So it could be falling down and bump­ing your knee, or it could be falling down and break­ing your arm, or it could be being in a car acci­dent, or some­thing emo­tion­al hap­pened, aban­don­ment, falling in the human body. That could be con­sid­ered a trau­mat­ic expe­ri­ence or a harsh expe­ri­ence. I mean, there’s just a lit­tle piece of our­selves that goes off to be in a state where I could give you a psy­cho-bab­ble. We call that dis­so­ci­a­tion. How­ev­er, we’ll stay in the shaman­ic spir­i­tu­al her­itage, and if there’s a piece of us, the kind of leaves, it’s for safe­ty because some­times what’s hap­pen­ing is too much. When that hap­pens, we’re not ful­ly our­selves because we’re not full of our­selves. We need to be full of our­selves, that vital life force. We need to have it be ful­ly with us. Then, from a shaman­ic heal­ing per­spec­tive, then what we do is we, first of all, if a per­son comes to us and says I need some heal­ing work, what’s often hap­pens I need a soul retrieval. First, we say I will always con­nect with our com­pas­sion­ate, help­ing spir­its who are co-cre­ators of the heal­ing help for the peo­ple we’re work­ing with, and we check in and make sure that that’s what the per­son needs. And when it’s indi­cat­ed that is what the per­son needs, we work with our help­ing spir­its and restore that vital force. One thing that hap­pens when we don’t have a vital force is that oth­er peo­ple might too influ­ence us. Places and things that try to fill that gap with­in our­selves may not be so healthy for us to bal­ance and some­times leave us open that we could be; we could attract an influ­ence that is not us; it’s not ful­ly us. And then the soul retrieval process is real­ly pret­ty sim­ple. When the shaman works with their help­ing spir­its, it’s very sim­ple. And then the per­son has them­selves. I know for me, when I work with peo­ple, I always sug­gest they always check to make sure they’re not going back to work or gro­cery shop­ping or some­thing, that they take it easy, that they give them­selves some good mel­low, self-care time. I often sug­gest that a per­son go out in nature and sit by a tree and real­ly feel the tree against their back, expe­ri­ence the tree’s roots con­nect­ing to the earth and con­nect­ing with the sup­port sys­tem of the roots of oth­er trees and the bark. The tree opens up and has the beau­ty of the sky and con­nect­ing. So you bring all of those heal­ing ele­ments into your­self after hav­ing an eye-light. To call it a cer­e­mo­ny, the soul retrieval cer­e­mo­ny.

John Moir: 5:53
I can remem­ber the first soul retrieval. Actu­al­ly, I had my first soul retrieval and ener­gy extrac­tion, one after the oth­er, and both times it was like all I remem­ber was see­ing lights lash­ing. My body became so cold I could­n’t. When every­thing was done, I was cry­ing; I just was. Some­thing was brought back that’s been miss­ing for a long time and the reunion I guess I could call it was just so full of joy. I don’t know why I was cry­ing so hard. And then, when it was all done, all I could do was just lay there. I could­n’t even move my arms or sit up. And poor fel­la, he’s prob­a­bly used to it; he’s a wise old one, and the wind got me a blan­ket and let me recov­er and then set up. And so there’s a lot of pow­er in return­ing parts of our­selves, frag­ments, to us, and, as you’re say­ing, I know that I always think of it as just a loss of life essence. And when we don’t, as you men­tioned, empha­size that when we lose parts of our soul, we lose parts of our pur­pose, life, and ener­gy. And you’re right, it makes it eas­i­er for spir­it, attach­ments that don’t belong to us, that influ­ence, and that’s a whole oth­er zone right there. And what I found for myself, Elaine, was that we devel­op all the favours we try to com­pen­sate with. There can be addic­tions, there’s depres­sion, and pulling back from the fam­i­ly you don’t belong. But you make it worse, and you feel that you don’t amount too much. And, as you said, you use the word asso­ci­a­tion and I think that’s still a good word, but it’s com­ing from? Yeah, it’s what hap­pens. We dis­so­ci­ate from who we are as peo­ple. I think when we lose our iden­ti­ty and pur­pose, why are we here?

Elaine Egidio: 8:00
It’s extreme­ly sad and dis­tress­ing, espe­cial­ly when peo­ple don’t under­stand what this is all about. It brings all sorts of feel­ings about them­selves. You were say­ing self-worth, shame, guilt, and lack of a sense of pur­pose. I was in a clin­i­cal ses­sion and try­ing to explain to peo­ple that I would­n’t be able to do so retrieval because that was­n’t my pur­pose there. But I want­ed them to under­stand how some­times there are pieces of them­selves that then they fill it with things that aren’t quite healthy, and so I used to think of a piece of Swiss cheese, those holes, and then you start fill­ing them with all this oth­er kind of stuff that’s not so healthy. So that’s how can we? We would do lit­tle cer­e­monies, but not shaman­ic, because it was not the set­ting for the lit­tle cer­e­monies to release with my inten­tion, as that would be help­ing them release and then replac­ing them. We would enjoy car­ing and self-love and all that stuff. It was very empow­er­ing for me as a clin­i­cian and as a shaman­ic prac­ti­tion­er to trans­late that over to anoth­er set­ting to make it more avail­able. Anoth­er thing, if I may, when you were talk­ing about the extrac­tion work, and that is true often­times when there is so much retrieval. When I work, it’s indi­cat­ed also to do extrac­tion work. I was pon­der­ing this morn­ing about hold­ing on to things and even how much our organs can hold on to things like grief and loss, and how impor­tant it is to remove that, to allow your­self to be aware of and to remove it from our organs, from our spir­i­tu­al being, to be then able to have the space Peo­ple often have said. I was final­ly able to take that deep breath. There are a lot of tears. Absolute­ly, you are unique and spe­cial. How­ev­er, there are a lot of tears. Many peo­ple have received such a retrieval and get­ting warm. I always have a few blan­kets handy because you’re fill­ing your­self, and you can feel the vibra­tions. It’s real­ly pret­ty. It’s a beau­ti­ful expe­ri­ence to be able to return some­one’s vital essence and for the per­son to be open to receiv­ing it.

John Moir: 10:36
Just for the lis­ten­ers. Fran­cis Weller, whom I men­tioned ear­li­er, great­ly influ­enced me and Patri­cia they wrote the book Wild Edge of Sor­row. I high­ly rec­om­mend that our lis­ten­ers go out and buy a copy if they haven’t already. But part of the loss of essence, what we would describe as a numb­ness that over­comes us, or not feel­ing any­thing any­more, like a loss of com­pas­sion, a loss of being able to love big, start to have self-abuse that we don’t think that we’re worth it. Then it’s. I can’t imag­ine how some­body could love some­body else or some­thing oth­er than them­selves with any kind of inten­si­ty, truth, and hon­esty. So it’s a big thing to lose our life essence.

Elaine Egidio: 11:25
Yes, yes, and the book sounds fas­ci­nat­ing. I real­ly think it’s a beau­ti­ful con­cept from what you’ve shared with me before on how man in nature because I believe that there’s soul loss in nature also that affects us as humans and in some grief or some dis­con­nect that we feel, because it’s also it’s, you know, nature is also expe­ri­enc­ing that. Places in nature. I could go on, I know, as a prac­ti­tion­er and a true under­stander, I believe. But we are here to co-cre­ate with nature in many ways, and so I myself have done soul retrieval, with per­mis­sion, of a place in nature that I feel has expe­ri­enced so long, maybe from the ways that we humans have for­got­ten that we need to be co-cre­ators with nature to be able to have a vibrant, vital force world. And so I think, there again, as I said, I do send peo­ple out in nature to sup­port the heal­ing work they just had done, to help them remem­ber the heal­ing work that they had done, to help them remem­ber to be ground­ed and present, but also to under­stand, as prac­ti­tion­ers, that there are places in nature that need for us to be able to do soul retrieval or extrac­tion work, or the same work that we would do, only with per­mis­sion, of course please don’t go run­ning off and doing stuff with­out per­mis­sion on man or nature.

John Moir: 13:08
I’m glad you brought up the nature side because there is grief in his book. I think we under­es­ti­mate the effect of grief as we’re not used to work­ing with our deep emo­tions. We’ve grown up learn­ing that grief isn’t wel­come, and pret­ty much every­body in North Amer­i­ca would agree with that if they’re white and Euro­pean, for sure, I think. And so for a while or that first gate is every­thing that you love you’ll lose, and so love and grief go hand in hand because you can’t have one with­out the oth­er. In a nut­shell, the more we under­stand that what­ev­er we love, our cars, our fam­i­ly and even­tu­al­ly our own lives, it’s that quin­tes­sen­tial emo­tion; no mat­ter how hard it is, we define it as human. It’s not just that. And the oth­er one was that ear­li­er, we’re talk­ing about shame and those plays, parts of our­selves that are ban­ished. So we do that. We feel shame­ful about some­thing in child­hood; we get stained in dif­fer­ent ways dur­ing our teenage years, adults, and so we don’t want to see it, we don’t want to talk about it, and we don’t want any­body to know about it. But that’s part of us, that’s part of our­selves that we ban­ish, and so there’s such loss in that part, and then there’s the loss of pur­pose, of not hav­ing peo­ple around to sup­port us in our pur­pose and the gifts that we bring into this world, and there’s loss from that. There’s also a zest of grief that has passed down that we all for myself, my father was an alco­holic, his father was an alco­holic, and his father was an alco­holic, and when we do ances­tral heal­ing, what we try to do is break that and heal those parts that we might be car­ing before, and there are some oth­er gates that I won’t go into now, but the whole idea is that what­ev­er heal­ing we can encour­age for our­selves, it affects our off­spring.

Elaine Egidio: 15:13
Cor­rect, absolute­ly and also the world around us. I think some­times that we don’t remem­ber that. I think that if we acknowl­edge doing our per­son­al heal­ing or doing heal­ing for some­one else, it’s like that rip­ple effect. If you get up in the morn­ing and say, okay, I will be kind today. You real­ly start a night, today I’m going to be kind, and you greet peo­ple and open doors for some­one. Sud­den­ly, you notice some­one else is open­ing anoth­er door, and the car stops so you can cross the street. What we do and what we allow for our­selves then real­ly rip­ples out. You men­tioned the ances­tral piece, and that is so inter­est­ing. I think, when we’re talk­ing about grief, I think so many times that I work a lot with the body, and so we can find that our body holds on to things, and some­times it’s. Is it nature, or is it nur­ture? If you’re around peo­ple who are hold­ing on to grief or choose to respond to grief in dys­func­tion­al ways, such as so many times, you get angry. And when we strip away the anger under­neath. That is intense grief. Like you said, we’re not allowed to feel grief. Give our­selves per­mis­sion, give those around us per­mis­sion to feel the grief, to allow the grief to emerge, and then we’re not stuff­ing it down with all sorts of oth­er stuff. That’s not real­ly work­ing. But so many times, I find, when there’s intense anger, if we can move it aside, we have grief. And there’s so many times that grief is, yeah, that’s how it was. My father was an alco­holic, but my par­ents held their grief. They did­n’t talk about it. When then the next one and the next one and now that’s real­ly the impor­tant thing for us all to remem­ber, and then again, we’re hold­ing on to things. That’s not allow­ing our vital force to expand, does­n’t it? I think we can have spon­ta­neous soul return­ing, or soul return when we let go of some of those things all of a sud­den when they maybe go out in nature or do some med­i­ta­tion or some allow­ing your body to expand. Wow, wait a minute, what was that? What just hap­pened there? And that’s some­thing that was spon­ta­neous­ly returned, which I think is a beau­ti­ful thing. Also, that allowance.

John Moir: 17:51
You brought up an inter­est­ing point. For me, the whole idea of tend­ing to our grief and why it’s impor­tant is it’s, well, I say it’s too. If we don’t tend to our grief and we keep push­ing it down, it becomes hard and cold like lead. And this is where Weller talks about the alche­my of the soul. And to keep that grief warm and mobile and mov­ing, so to keep tend­ing to our grief, we know the soul needs to express the grief that we’re hold­ing onto, and when we don’t do that, then we start to notice small mal­adap­tive behav­iours creep­ing in, and it does­n’t do us good any good. It does­n’t do our fam­i­lies or the world around us any good. And so it’s impor­tant to tend to our grief, either through shaman­ic meth­ods or through tra­di­tion­al clin­i­cal coun­ters with psy­chother­a­pists, psy­chol­o­gists, or ther­a­pists. I want to ask you about your expe­ri­ence of what you see when you do soul retrieval, like how it presents itself. Are you able to touch any recent ones that you could describe?

Elaine Egidio: 19:04
It’s real­ly inter­est­ing because my soul retrieval work has shift­ed, and what I’m shown isn’t what I’m visu­al­ly shown. It’s what I feel in my body and what my help­ing spir­its feel. It’s always an amaz­ing­ly beau­ti­ful metaphor for some­thing that some­times it’s. Some­thing might not look like the per­son but like some­thing in nature. Often­times it does look like some­thing that’s just fon­dant, it’s lone­ly, that as soon as I show up becomes joy­ful and bright and shiny. Or some­times it’s some­thing shiny, it’s under the lit­tle, maybe a leaf cov­er­ing. Do you know how, when you do, your leaves pile up in the fall? It’s just this light sweep­ing out, and some­times it’s this bright light. A lot of times, I would have to say there’s bright­ness and vital­i­ty. It is inter­est­ing that some­times it’s this lit­tle hide-and-seek kind of thing, but my help­ing spir­its are real­ly good at find­ing those things, and if I open my heart, I can feel it also. So then I’ll bring it back in my hands, and I usu­al­ly hold it for a moment and share my love for human­i­ty. Per­haps if I know the per­son well, just my love for them, I feel things brighter and brighter. Then I do the process. I blow into the solar plexus, and I usu­al­ly wait for just a minute to let that soul essence move through the body. then, I encour­age the per­son to sit and blow on the top of their head and then let them lie down. When I do a soul retrieval, I’ve done a lit­tle heal­ing work before I do the soul retrieval, the actu­al piece of it, and then after­wards, I pow­er up more with my help in spir­it who does the work with me and pass that pow­er through the per­son after­wards and then I just leave them be. I don’t sit and hold their hand. I don’t touch them. I sit by them. They know I’m there. I’m in the process of think­ing of my help­ing spir­its for sup­port­ing me in the work and their help­ing spir­its because we also do, yes, their help­ing spir­its to be sup­port­ive of the work and the spir­its of the space. So that’s being polite, just to let the per­son be in their process until they arise until they begin to move, and then I might guide them on how to do it a lit­tle bit more gen­tly. Don’t jump up, and kind of thing. I mean you could, if you want, you can do what­ev­er you want. Just allow your­self to feel and feel what’s expand­ing, how you’re expand­ing.

John Moir: 22:04
Did you ever have soul frag­ments that did­n’t want to come back?

Elaine Egidio: 22:08
Have I ever had soul frag­ments that did­n’t want to come back? Not that they did­n’t want to come back, which was more in the old­er days, but they were afraid to return. Per­haps they left because of some real trau­mat­ic sit­u­a­tions that hap­pened to them, and they need­ed to know that things, the per­son was safe and that where the per­son was safe, and some­times the truth is too is some­times if a per­son is in an unsafe sit­u­a­tion not that the frag­ments were not a dif­fer­ent sce­nario the per­son is in an unsafe sit­u­a­tion. Some­times doing a soul or two will give them that vital force, that full­ness of them­selves as being who they are, that they can remove them­selves from that too. But there were times in the old­er days when there was like, no, this per­son is safe, because some­times I know a lit­tle bit, I don’t often need to hear the sto­ry any­more. I left my help in spir­its. Take me to soul parts that are ready and will­ing to be returned to this per­son.

John Moir: 23:20
Yeah, I had a cou­ple of just pop­ping into my mem­o­ries. One was look­ing for frag­ments of this lady, and some­times I see younger ver­sions of the per­son. At this par­tic­u­lar time, she was sort of like a three-year-old, but an old­er part of her­self left to pro­tect the younger one. And I can’t remem­ber the sto­ry of why the younger one, but the old­er one left; I think she was like sev­en and went to pro­tect this younger one, and I thought that was. It was sur­pris­ing but just a teach­ing in how some­times love works that we’ll lose parts of our­selves not because of fear but out of love for some­thing else. And I have to point out a lit­tle bit.

Elaine Egidio: 24:09
That does make a lot of sense. And there were times when more sto­ries when I did see more sto­ries and actu­al­ly I did see sim­i­lar sit­u­a­tions where you know that one part went to care for anoth­er and yeah, and then you need to let every­body know it’s safe and also that not only is it safe, but you are need­ed so that you can real­ly feel filled with your­self. It’s impor­tant for you to come back because that per­son can, and some­times that kind of thing is def­i­nite­ly part of the process, and that’s kind of how I would han­dle it. It’s great I’ve had so much love here. We bring all this love there.

John Moir: 24:58
I know anoth­er. Actu­al­ly, it’s a favourite one of mine. I don’t want to reveal too much, but then it belongs to me. It was a friend of mine, and she want­ed to try the shaman stuff, and so the jour­ney, some­times what we’ll do as shamans is do what we call a diag­nos­tic jour­ney, where we meet with the spir­its and the spir­its of the pro­tec­tors of the per­son who’s seek­ing the retrieval for what they want us to do and get some back­ground. But, any­way, when the time came to do the retrieval, that mix of metaphor and pre­mo­ni­tion all came togeth­er, and what I saw was this it was a grass field that was walk­ing in the jour­ney, and I came across this one white lily, and it was stun­ning. The colours of it were just so pure and white, and I was look­ing at it. And then it mor­phed the out­er appear­ance. So now I’m look­ing at the repro­duc­tion parts of the plant, and I thought that’s inter­est­ing. And then I saw this old cou­ple; I’ll leave that one out. And then I saw this small girl stand­ing near a pond and would look very curi­ous about the crea­tures that were in it, but she had this beau­ti­ful red dress and shiny black shoes, and so that would why would some­body in a red dress, for exam­ple, start hang­ing out in a mud­dy pond? And there was some more stuff that I won’t reveal, but I’m try­ing to fig­ure out. What does all this mean? It means noth­ing to me, which is often the case, so I told my friend. I said this is all going to sound real­ly crazy, but this is what I saw, and I don’t under­stand the idea of the lily, the young girl that I brought back to her. She was excit­ed for her. She said that she real­ly wished that she had that child­hood curios­i­ty back. So that had mer­it for her, and the oth­er parts all went in there. But she said one thing I did­n’t tell you was that my hus­band and I had been try­ing to have a baby, and I thought, okay, that explains the lily.

Elaine Egidio: 27:14
Sure Thanks, Sarah. Repro­duc­tive parts.

John Moir: 27:17
I said I don’t think you have to wor­ry about that any­more. And, need­less to say, months well, sev­er­al months, she did, in fact, become preg­nant and had a beau­ti­ful child, Isn’t that?

Elaine Egidio: 27:30
the same because I’ve actu­al­ly done soul retrievals, and the per­son who has got­ten preg­nant after­ward and want­ed to get preg­nant is Fas­ci­nat­ing.

John Moir: 27:39
Yeah, so I’ve heard of that too. I haven’t had any­body who went through that that way. But is it due to that you get more of your life essence back, or is there a heal­ing with the organs? We nev­er know that part. We’re going to have fun try­ing to think of it.

Elaine Egidio: 28:00
Yeah, I had­n’t thought about that for years. I don’t believe it because it was quite a while ago. I don’t believe that part of the soul retrieval was so that they could get preg­nant. I don’t even know if I want if I knew they want­ed to get preg­nant. I know we did the soul retrieval, and then they went, oh, guess what? And we’ve been wait­ing and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but oh, that’s pret­ty inter­est­ing, and then just moved on.

John Moir: 28:27
So that’s inter­est­ing; it’s again when you see all these metaphors that have no mean­ing for us, and we’re almost embar­rassed to tell the client this is what we see, this is what was said, or what­ev­er means absolute­ly noth­ing. I have no con­text to help you at all. And then they beam; it’s got every­thing they want­ed in those metaphors. Some­times, peo­ple need a lit­tle help to touch the metaphor in a way that they can now start to under­stand, and then that metaphor unfolds for them, and it’s kind of like a poem. In the spir­it world, so much is said, which are metaphors pret­ty much like that for me.

Elaine Egidio: 29:09
Yeah, yeah, oh, absolute­ly, I know that. Yeah, def­i­nite­ly, def­i­nite­ly. The spir­its are big and metaphors, haiku some­times.

John Moir: 29:16
Yeah, yeah. And the oth­er thing I find is that, with the so why, the soul retrieval is so pow­er­ful. It’s all com­bined with get­ting your life essence back, but it’s such a big one. When you get these big­ger parts of our­selves returned, all of a sud­den, you’re embold­ened. You have this courage and more pow­er that you’re hold­ing inside, so if you have dif­fi­cul­ties in your life, you either have the courage to make those changes. If you’re in a bad rela­tion­ship, that no, and this is what I’m going to do, you have the courage and the strength to do that. Or you say, no, I’m going to stick it out, but I’m going to work hard­er to do what­ev­er it is that I need to resolve issues.

Elaine Egidio: 30:03
Do you think, because again, this is my area of exper­tise, that when peo­ple receive soul retrieval and soul heal­ing, it does help them heal the grief, to sup­port the pain of the grief?

John Moir: 30:19
Yeah, the whole idea of heal­ing grief is a mis­nomer. I use it, and I’m quite con­flict­ed with the use of those words, but at the same time, I think that the gen­er­al idea is that you believe that, some­how, grief will have less of an effect on you. There’s first of all, there’s noth­ing that is bro­ken in us when we are griev­ing or have deep grief. It’s part of our mat­u­ra­tion as human beings to learn more about com­pas­sion, more about love, and dif­fer­ent parts of our­selves that are giv­ing us a brighter, big­ger, hap­pi­er life in the long term. We still miss what we grieve for, but it’s in a way that there’s grat­i­tude, and we have great grat­i­tude for the things that were brought to us in those rela­tion­ships.

Elaine Egidio: 31:10
And being more full of, how­ev­er, than being more full of your­self, what would help you expand what you were say­ing the grat­i­tude, the love, ver­sus not being ful­ly you? It’s so hard to feel some­thing beyond when we’re not. Absolute­ly. Yeah, I was. As I was using the word heal­ing grief, I was like, I’m sure there’s dif­fer­ent, some­thing dif­fer­ent, but the adjec­tives that you put in there, real­ly, yeah.

John Moir: 31:44

Elaine Egidio: 31:45
For me. Any­way, I hope that your lis­ten­ers were able to hear them all.

John Moir: 31:50
I think so, retrieval from shaman­ic prac­tices that we can do and dis­mem­ber­ment jour­neys. I think grief is, it’s an ini­ti­a­tion, and so it means that your ini­ti­a­tions are all about going through that door. That’s open­ing up, in a sense, and let­ting go of the things that we no longer need, and there are a cou­ple of things that I think are just part of the heal­ing. Heal­ing that is avail­able to every­body. It comes from a dif­fer­ent avenue, oth­er than the hos­pi­tal, clin­i­cian, or that kind of thing.

Elaine Egidio: 32:25
I real­ly admire the work that you and Patri­cia are doing with grief because I think it’s cer­tain­ly some­thing that is used, that ear­li­er that our soci­ety we’ve learned, we’ve been taught not to and don’t allow it to be, then it does become hard and pen­e­tra­ble and then is that real­ly what we want. But, yeah, I think to that allowance that grace, I do think grace and ten­der­ness are real­ly impor­tant because I hear a lot of the words that aren’t great and ten­der about peo­ple who are work­ing with what­ev­er the words would be have grief in their life and they’re not sure how to han­dle it.

John Moir: 33:05
Yeah, all right; maybe that’s a good place to end for today.

Elaine Egidio: 33:10

John Moir: 33:10
And, yeah, I want to thank you so much for your inspi­ra­tion, words, and wis­dom. Thank you so much for invit­ing me and allow­ing me to touch the inspi­ra­tion. Thank you.

Elaine Egidio: 33:22
Thank you

John Moir: 33:26
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